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Balancing the number of Racial Seat items.

Post by Lazria_nakayami on Tue Mar 10, 2015 7:27 am

Due to the series lore only containing 10 Hollow Fraccions (The ten espada) perhaps to balance the seat items we could have a "King's Fraccion or some other form of royal based seats where Legendary Espada can contest for the Fraccion positions that can purchase their own Captain level seat items.

These could simply be titled King/Queen or Royal Fraccion numbers or actual rank names of some kind. Although a number system would probably be easier unless something fitting comes to mind.

I'm aware the King's Fraccion in the series aren't on par with Captains at the time but given the pace of the series the Hollow didn't necessarily have much time to mature anyway. And since Aizen was pretty much their 'king' from the WoB perspective existing out of the espada ranking then they could be our version of Aizen's traitor subordinates. Gin and Tousen.

The only reason I suggest this is it seems we are reluctant to add additional barracks due to continuity/lore reasons so hopefully this could give us the much needed seat items without conflicting with the lore.

The seat items would be identical to our current espada/captain items but the King's Fraccion would have no responsibilities in game wise (Unless we can find some fitting additional purpose for them) as they wouldn't lead their own Fraccions. Just like how Dormammu (Our King) is apart of 10 they would just exist as sub-kings for our race and remain from their respective fraccions, maybe generating additional race points instead of Frac points from their officer patrols.

For the lack of LT seats we could maybe also have 1 Fraccion for each of the King's Fraccion as an Underling or some other fitting title that escapes me at the moment with their respective LT/Frac Commander Item. The prices of the items would of course remain the same as Captain/Espada, LT/Frac Commander items.

I'd appreciate any input on the possibility of this being implemented and any reason why we can't have any compensation for the captain's additional available seat items.

[Disclaimer] This is only the base of this suggestion where improvement can be worked on from there.
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Post by Dead_pool on Tue Mar 10, 2015 7:34 am

I have been asking for equal number of seats for a long time, hollows have been asking for if I can make some as King so they can get seats, now that we have more numbers I do not see the point of not having seats and that is a nice idea having a King's fraccion or seats that are like "fraccions" but still are squads. This would put hollows on equal seats with the shinigami.
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Post by Verrier on Tue Mar 10, 2015 7:39 am

I would agree. While it's ok from lore side it's definitely not good in world of bleach.

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Post by gearsinabox on Tue Mar 10, 2015 7:45 am

i agree on the fact that due to majority of the players being shinigami they have overwhelming numbers and are able to fill the seats have the items and are able to consistently do OP that will allow them to get boosts that they need. we barely have enough hollows to fill the seats but most of the hollows in the inactive fraccions currently have well inactive members. I feel like this would benefit the hollows only on the terms that the members for each of the fraccions are evened out so that way we can have those seats that both rize and dorm are talking about. Otherwise it will be useless in the inactive fraccions


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Clarification

Post by Lazria_nakayami on Tue Mar 10, 2015 8:03 am

To Clarify further, my suggestion only entails having these new seats exist purely for granting additional seat positions.

Ex.
King's Fraccion 1 (Legendary Espada Holder) - Can Purchase Espada level seat item.
King's Fraccion 2 (Legendary Espada Holder) - Can Purchase Espada level seat item.
King's Fraccion 3 (Legendary Espada Holder) - Can Purchase Espada level seat item.

They do not lead their own fraccion and exist from their original fraccion like the King and Captain Commander currently does. These are only positions not fraccions themselves.

Then LT based seats being something like.

Royal Commander 1 (Or some other fitting title) for the LT/Fraccion commander based seats.

Unless we think these could exist as their own fraccions then by all means I wouldn't mind, I just wanted to do something with what concerns our current Hollow player base the most. The difference in available seat items.
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Post by The Vincent Rankin on Tue Mar 10, 2015 8:07 am

Honestly, I'd rather hollows weren't still Aizen's *****. But I don't see the Espada being abolished any time soon on WoB. Would be much more lore friendly to have only A king/Queen of Hueco Mundo instead of a bunch of espada who shouldn't even exist any more. Would make sense to get rid of Seat items on both sides or at least all but KoH & CC.
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Re: Balancing the number of Racial Seat items.

Post by gearsinabox on Tue Mar 10, 2015 8:22 am

Might i point out that the RP system that you are trying to make would most likely backfire in our faces due to the fact that if we get it, we would also have to allow the shinigami to have it as well so that there is no fued again about that, much like how the boss was unfair to us due to the handicap to it, it would be unfair to them if we were to receive such a seat. Rather than that why not make a seat that allows a member of each fraccion to take the seat and do the op, BUT send it to another fraccion in need rather than send it to their own fraccion. It would allow more communication between hollows to happen. It would balance out the OP issue between the shinigami and hollows. Hollows would become more organized due to the fact of helping each other. Just thought i should point this out and give you a new idea

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Post by Lazria_nakayami on Tue Mar 10, 2015 8:25 am

If it would be so unfair to balance the available seatings then Squads 11-13 should simply be removed. This is the World of Bleach, based on the theme of the series. If it is so heinous to add our appropriate fraccions then we should just equalize the current squad/fracs available that way.

That other seat would definitely have to be it's own thing, but the matter at hand is the available fraccion/squads and their important seat item bonus that makes more players on the Shinigami side naturally stronger with it's possession.

They have 13 sets of Officer items where we are limited to 10 sets. 6 more players that can have an advantage.
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Post by gearsinabox on Tue Mar 10, 2015 8:35 am

Then why not have the king of HM pick out 6 individuals that will have the ability to get seat items

That are consistently active so that they may even out the Officer item issue

To go with the seat also give them the ability to do op and send it to the fraccions of their choosing.

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Post by Lazria_nakayami on Tue Mar 10, 2015 8:38 am

Actually... I like part of that suggestion.

Back to my original post where I want 3 neutral espada seats (Purely for the item) and 3 neutral Fraccion commanders (Purely for the item) they could have their points randomly allocate to various fraccions or maybe even the lowest fraccion point holding fraccion. (Blah)

I only used the whole Royal Espada or King's Fraccion thing just for a rank title option of sorts.

But I really like that idea Gears.
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Re: Balancing the number of Racial Seat items.

Post by gearsinabox on Tue Mar 10, 2015 8:47 am

It should be a fraccion named fraccion 0 if we were to have Dorm in his own fraccion alongside with 6 different members of his own choosing.

For the Espada seats why not just go with Royal guards (or knights due to the chess reference of the FC seat).

When i think of the FC Seat being in there i think of chess which makes me think of pawns.

The Op should be something random and it should be changed everyday so that there is no favoritism of the 6 members, like a PM of the system telling you that when you do patrols it goes to blank fraccion so on and so forth.

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Post by Ormag on Tue Mar 10, 2015 8:56 am

I agree with Gears too Smile

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Post by Lazria_nakayami on Tue Mar 10, 2015 9:22 am

I don't know about the picking part, but making them seats that can be contested among all fracs would be better just like how Espada can challenge the king. Make it so that Legendary Espadas can challenge the 'Royal Guards' Or what have you. Or Just claim the seat if vacant. They will have to defend their positions of course.

The finer details would have to be what LSM think is best if we happen to go this route.
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Post by gearsinabox on Tue Mar 10, 2015 9:34 am

than we have refined the idea as much as possible then we shall allow LSM to make his decision im too tired to make thought process

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Post by Saber on Tue Mar 10, 2015 9:41 am

I agree with lazria
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Post by Zerorin on Tue Mar 10, 2015 11:41 am

I believe in terms for seat item balancing between races this is a good idea. As for the shini complaining it's unfair, they have no ground to stand on really considering they already have 3 additional squads. It doesn't clash very much with the lore and would solve an issue that's been around as long as the seat items themselves. You would have my vote.
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Post by kazen on Tue Mar 10, 2015 12:42 pm

It's a good idea. It's all in the name of balancing so It should greatly help us. Since its 6 other seats, I'd suggest a list of active members (excludingseated members) of the fracs be made and then a random six are chosen to avoid people complaining of favoritism.

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Post by Gilgamesh on Tue Mar 10, 2015 1:23 pm

The idea you are proposing is a very good one. We just need to make sure that we are not over reaching. Ive always like the idea of a separate fraccion for the veterans. This would allow more hollows to seek reaching higher ranks to gain a seat. Im all for it, now the tough part. Solidifying the suggestion and seeing if the higher ups will negotiate.
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Post by Jeantall on Tue Mar 10, 2015 2:09 pm

On a side note were missing 3 seats....3 shini betrayed their own as well. Just in case he wants to keep with the lore
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Post by Dead_pool on Tue Mar 10, 2015 3:20 pm

Actually the passing out of points is something I thought of long ago, but honestly it sound silly to implement for one being in the game. I was playing clash of clash getting pwned by someone, when I noticed that the storage Idea can be used in WoB for King or CC...and when we get to 100 or 1000 we can pass it out to certain fraccs :notbad:
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Re: Balancing the number of Racial Seat items.

Post by Sveti_Diabhal on Tue Mar 10, 2015 4:38 pm

I like the idea in theory. but i believe if we have something like the 6 new seats can distribute the FP to other fracs even if it just by RNG it would have to be implemented for shini as well. only problem i see that needs to be thought about and hammered out. and were focusing on seat items, while yes those do put us at a slight disadvantage, lets not forget about scan ranges, were 3 fracs short of their squads and can see 18 squares less than them if you think about it, cause Capt/Espada is 3 square boost in scan range then your 2 squares for LT/FC and the 1 square for 3rd Seat/HF which is kinda bad as well.
On a side note, i really think Reno's idea would be funny lol. i think that something liek that would have to be implemented. Aizen's Frac, Gin Ichimaru's frac and Tousen's frac, they'd have to be named something that didn't require a drop-down scroll when you get the seat item lol. but that's a separate issue. And granted we might be 'low' on people in some aspects and i can't say how much of the 'active' list is just people waiting on the 90 day boot off the list for each frac, but fracts 1,7, and 9 have over 40 people while every other frac has about 20 with exception of 8 which has 13....i guess they're saying their espada forgot to shower or something Pokerface but yea we'd have to deal with maybe going down to about 15 - 20 in every frac to even it out and give each frac a change, but ummm personally after being a Captain in dead squads before these newest changes it was still easy enough to get boosts. now it would be more of a if you didn't get boosts and your people were on it would be the members own faults for not participating in the KC boss or the R7 and R8s fault for not participating in breaking the walls down.
Also the Warehousing idea that Dorm had up above looks good to me and i think that one would be a boon for both Hollows and Shini and wouldn't hurt either race's balancing at all.

Anyways, i've talked to much time to go back to the shadows, laters

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Post by straywolf174 on Tue Mar 10, 2015 6:00 pm

I think most of the idea's spoken of here are good, but i'm worried over the effects it may have on the game, short term and overall.
Perhaps its my paranoia, but lets say we did get these new seats, granting us the seat items, etc. and making the game fair, yay~!
But...how long will it take to actually be looked upon as fair?
Who will complain? How many?
And even worse, what if, while it is looked at as acceptable, and we run around on our horses of gold and bone, what if it back-fires on horrid levels? I'm not just referring to a slight unbalance or a debate either...

For instance, lets say whats done is done, and Lazaria's suggestion is in full swing, bringing eqaulity and rights to all citizens of WoB!
Hollows gain the items, and shinigami gutts explode everywhere, painting the Hueco Mundo roses red.

Then...it starts. And in the beginning, its only a small fued or debate, be it a troll or a spoiled, bratty player...call it what you will, at this early stage, it was meaningless words upon meaningless words.

"Hollows have too many seats!"

But, as time grew, other members noticed a shift, as it were...

"Man, all these items are making some people reincarnated gods!"

Then, it goes on to favortism...

"(whoever the king, etc. may be at the time,) always picks that fracc\game member!"

Then...the debates of "We should have never had items", "we need more items!", "We should follow the lore better...", etc

I dont know if this is paranoia, and that may very well be, but looking at it from this perspective, i cant help but think that after awhile, the games population would dwindle, in turn resulting in lack of donated funds, which means lack of playability, and ultimatley, lack of game.

My suggestion? I agree with a previous solution. Give items to only the King of Hueco Mundo, and the King of Soul Society. That way, no new barracks need be created, no new ranks or items, and no haxed out players running amidst the sands or buildings causing population drops and even more complaints in social.

This all may very well be paranoia or over thinking things, but it could be something to think about for WoB's future.
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Post by Aless on Tue Mar 10, 2015 6:22 pm

Make soting squad for hollow is not bed but somting like special what can have only 6 members
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Post by Dead_pool on Tue Mar 10, 2015 8:29 pm

Actually Stray...I will pick the strongest...since the seats are not really special...but can only distribute points out...while we can spend RP I guess idk or the storage of points we accumulate...because tbh we don't need the boos... I don't xD...but Stray...there are still 6 more seats that hollow do not have that means more scouting...for the shinigami
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Post by straywolf174 on Tue Mar 10, 2015 11:13 pm

Yes i know, but like i said, i was talking about long term. As in, hopefully WoB is still around in the years to come, when you may not be king anymore. Lets say a petty, arrogant player somehow rises to such a rank...what then?

We would have a problem that as i mapped out in very basic, vague frames, might ruin the game in its entirety.

I'm not speaking against you, but really any player who has that chance, including myself. I'd hate to see a game of such promise be wasted by childish god modders...
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